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No one has made an accusation of dumbing down. And no one is critical of popular games, far from it. Just one organiser was concerned that there wasn't enough room on the calendar for specialist games (I don't actually agree with this, just my opinion) and one player aggrieved that no one wanted (or was booking) on the games he wanted. Ironic in many ways.

Everyone knows the reason why games are cancelled, there is no great mystery, I could list a breakdown of every cancelled game if it wouldn't piss organisers off even more! Games that cater for a minority interest run a risk of not being viable. Organiser's have to run games of their own choice, to innovate or offer a different slant, not those of a committee or (necessarily) pandering to the masses. As a hobby organiser you have to be true to yourself and your vision - why devote time and money to a game you have no interest in? As a player would I be satisfied if the calendar was full of popularist games? Part of the reason why hobby organisers go to all the effort is that they belief they have something to offer the community, for that they should be praised and supported. Now, club organisers such as yourself and others are most certainly best placed to offer well booked (and therefore, by definition, popular & mainstream) games and have the experience and facilities and player base to offer that. And therefore are the bedrock of WW2 games. As you say people have bought the kit, and they want to shoot their guns, you can't fail to run an event for most.

All of the many posts can be summed up as saying not everybody wants that. At least not all of the time.

I completely agree with Jim on this. If I want numbers, I'll run the game the majority want so I get punters, I run two battle weekends a year and get between 80-120 players. Every year I experiment in July (which is a shit month to run in) and the last two years, bummed out, because what I wanted to do only appealed to a select few and 'July factor' so I won't bother anymore;)

Very true point Jim makes however is the massive pile of global admin that gets blown in everyone face when there's a hick up in the machine;(. This just makes us look like silly Billy's (I think) and rather than discuss it, we should be dusting off and setting up the next one.

And thats great too hear, I just hope that people book onto the games that are left!

Hut 9 is there waiting for bookings and is probably the most immersive game this year. There are hardly any Germans booked on, possibly the easiest, and most immersive, role in the game. No uniform needed!

My thoughts Exactly, I have no German kit what so ever, so this is easy for anyone, and who wouldn't want to go on the run!... though I'm thinking that I'd fall quite easily for a move like the bus scene in the Great Escape, but obviously reversal in nationalities

So after people spend ages and loads of money getting their German kit together, buying / building their guns, you want them to leave it all at home and call it immersive, yet wonder why no one wants to book in.?

So now CiA events aren't uniform-restrictive enough?

Feck me, we'll never win.

Not with your constant negative attitude you won't no.

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Not with your constant negative attitude you won't no.

Thanks for the feedback.

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As a hobby organiser you have to be true to yourself and your vision - why devote time and money to a game you have no interest in?

Very fair point; you're putting the games on that you'd want to play, as it's as much your hobby as anyone else's. Ultimately all these different types of games should be encouraged. It's all for the good of the hobby and no one should turn around and criticise you for it.

That said, Jim's right in the sense that there's a good chance that no other bugger will want to play it.

If your principle interest is making money as an event organiser, probably goes without saying you're going to put on the big battle games that offer plenty of shooting as that's where the numbers are. As far as I know, most of the organisers on here are primarily doing it as part of their own interest in the hobby rather than as a business. Therefore, they should feel free to run whatever they want as long as they know there's no guarantee that it has popular appeal for all the myriad reasons listed in this thread.

I'm all for the smaller events, I think the concept of early war rifles only is brilliant and I'm hoping to attend, what people shouldn't do is get bent out of shape if it pans.

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Hang on a minute, have I missed something? This is all getting a bit "handbags"!

When it comes to uniform requirements, they can be off-putting. I think the San Marino game showed that just because the minimum kit requirement was essentially a khaki or green boiler suit, doesn't mean that people are going to make no effort. The sign ups for the Copenhagen game also show that people love an excuse to get a new impression. If you want people to sign up for a game where the kit is unusual, setting the bar low means people will sign up and try their best. Setting the bar high means some people will not sign up because they don't know whether they can manage it in time.
I don't think any game has been cancelled because it was a bad game idea. It's just a sign that the game was ambitious and therefore the number of people needed for it to break even was higher than the number of people that signed up. This is a good thing because it shows that the organisers are trying to push boundaries.
And ZB, I don't know whether you have checked the sign ups for the rifles game but I was going to wait until I could afford a rifle but have now signed up because it is filling up fast. Now I have to get the rifle.
Although I cannot make Hut9, I have offered to loan gear to some local reinactors (if I can get them into airsoft it improves my chances of a lift to other games)

Hang on a minute, have I missed something? This is all getting a bit "handbags"!

Well, Josh might be into that...not sure about the others.

I don't think any game has been cancelled because it was a bad game idea. It's just a sign that the game was ambitious and therefore the number of people needed for it to break even was higher than the number of people that signed up. This is a good thing because it shows that the organisers are trying to push boundaries.

This.

Immerse yourselves, folks. Before it's too late.
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Immerse yourselves, folks. Before it's too late.
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Hear, hear - let's get behind this event guys!

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Wow, I don't know how I managed to miss this thread (apart from the going to Hong Kong part of my life recently).

I'm up for immersive games - games where I actually feel like I've somehow been transported back 70 odd years.
'Il Giogo Pass' and 'The Battle For Crete' were the two most believable airsoft games I have ever participated in. Must be something about quarries and KDs...

(Going back quite a few years now, 'In The Pocket' also got me believing the situation I was in to a rather high degree, too.)

When it comes to uniform requirements, they can be off-putting. I think the San Marino game showed that just because the minimum kit requirement was essentially a khaki or green boiler suit, doesn't mean that people are going to make no effort.

Kit requirements can definitely be off-putting. Quite frankly tonight I have been put off attending a game that looks like it may not go ahead because it needs more axis forces desperately and the organisers would rather the game died than have someone wear the wrong underpants. If you want the hobby to survive you need to be inclusive and making some self-percieved 'elite' group (who to most look like cocks) is one hell of a way to put people off joining in.

I'm no saying that no effort should be made but don't throw all your toys out of the pram just because not everyone can afford all the pwetty outfits you can to get every game setup looking just right.

With all due respect matey, you've got that wrong. The uniform requirements on these games are actually pretty flexible - if the organisers wanted to be arses then they could demand that people badge up 100% correctly, or even wear the correct 'cut' of battle dress (i.e. no 44 pattern for an early war game). As far as i'm aware, limits like this have NEVER been enforced in a WW2 airsoft game and I doubt will ever be.

All the organisers are looking for is a basic load-out i.e. Field Grey for the Germans, Battle dress for the British etc - if people choose to buy more exotic kit then be prepared to have limited opportunities to use it - if you go for basic battledress first, then you're covered for all eventualities...then you can go weird and wonderful on the kit!

Now let's all get along and lets all play nice...we're all a bunch of grown ups with toy guns for gods sake!

Actually that is not the problem, the problem is frequently assumption.

Games which do require/want very specific kit and higher levels of "rightness" are organised with such in mind - like mine is. they are organised so they can run with few players because everyone of us knows that many people are not going to be interested in such a thing.

the problem is when certain organisers run a game which does NOT have these restrictions. Because they have run - or been in any way associated with - games or organisers which have previously run something more controlled, people assume they they are also requiring 'high rightness', 'stitch counting' 'whatever' and thus they are unable to get the numbers to run the more open games because vast swathes don't book on. People assume a required level of kit without checking with them - or in many cases just reading the requirements.

Messina was 'anything on Sicily' and Mervile is 'British' and 'Heer'. You could not have more open and accessible kit requirements and yet still be an immersive game.

In fact I am not even sure how Mervile could relax the kit requirements?

When it comes to uniform requirements, they can be off-putting. I think the San Marino game showed that just because the minimum kit requirement was essentially a khaki or green boiler suit, doesn't mean that people are going to make no effort.

Kit requirements can definitely be off-putting. Quite frankly tonight I have been put off attending a game that looks like it may not go ahead because it needs more axis forces desperately and the organisers would rather the game died than have someone wear the wrong underpants. If you want the hobby to survive you need to be inclusive and making some self-percieved 'elite' group (who to most look like cocks) is one hell of a way to put people off joining in.

I'm no saying that no effort should be made but don't throw all your toys out of the pram just because not everyone can afford all the pwetty outfits you can to get every game setup looking just right.

OK, look, you seem to have gotten yourself all confused. No-one has said that you have to wear a certain, specific uniform. You've asked about wearing an impression that will give you the opportunity to play a specific role within the game...a role which that game cannot, and will not, include.

Your insistence that this is about uniforms is a complete straw man argument for what is actually a discussion about you wanting to play as a sniper and the organisers, of which I am one, telling you that a sniper role will not be appropriate.

No-one has asked you to wear specific underpants, no-one has suggested your choice of uniform is wrong, they've just said that the role isn't right. Rather like turning up to a football match and insisting that you alone will play rugby, and that everyone else should just shut up and accept that.

If any post on this forum demonstrates toys being thrown out of prams, it's the one I've quoted above. Your use of ad-hominem attacks on the organisers and attendees is unnecessary and, without wishing to reduce my argument to your level, makes you break the first rule of attending CiA events.

I hope you will attend Merville, you'll see that everyone within the community is very supportive and that these sort of games are a great way to spend a weekend.